I have seen the results of suicide on the families and friends left behind.

gothic impulse: I too have dealt with far too many that I love who have taken this route.

there is NO JUSTIFICATION

We are told early on in life that suicide is NOT an answer, that it is wrong, a sin, a weak way out yadda, yadda. No matter what cliche` you use, the outcome is the same.
Everyone who has ever walked this earth has been given experiences in their lives that caused them to say, I can't take this amymore, no one should have to live like this, but for the most part, they DO get through it. No matter how bad it gets, how much it hurts, how unfair it seems or alone it feels, suicide will NOT make it go away. Realisticly, it gets much worse. For those you have just left behind. Yes we have all heard that before, well heed to it IT DOES!!!!!!

John and Amito: I really do not know how much more I could say that others wiil not have already said or say, but I am here to tell you that there is no way I beleive that either one of you has a reason to believe that ANYONE would be better off without you. That you wouldn't leave a mess behind, or answer you self-worth question(ya know, "failing at everything it seems). I will show you an illustration of the outcome of giving into these feelings.....

I am FAILING at EVERYTHING in my life and have been for several months. A mother of four, on the streets(homeless) for almost 2 months now. I was on treatments which my doctors have recently seazed becouse I am not ressponding to them. I suffer migranes, diabeties, epilepsy, MS and of course my terminal illness. I am a piss poor excuse for a mother, wife and woman at this point. Can not take care of family, home, health or anything. I am a useless shell of a human right now.....Notice I said RIGHT NOW!!!!!! Tommorow will bring another day of either this terrible hell I am living through, or it vwery well may be the day that it all changes.Right now is a temporary moment.
You know, my list could go on, and so could thousands of others but that means nothing, we all are tired. There has to be something strong enough in your will to help you to see that, there is someone sitting next to you, reaching out to you, feeling you, right next to you, and they have it worse than you, yet you need them. They need to be there for you, and they need you to believe that you can make it. Yes, there are mentical conditions that are much of the cause of this type of feeling, I was told way back in the early 70's that I was manic depressive, (long before every tear you shed meant you were so), and yes I played with the idea of vanishing my pain (physically, mentally and emotionally) but I cant. I just can't. Not for myself, or my family or what ever, I just cant. I want to see that I got threw it AGAIN and I want to see how it all turns out!!!!!!!!
Won't the two of you and any other, lean on those who are willing to be there for you and help you through whatever they can. I am certain that you WILL get throught these rough areas and you will be happy to see that the outcome is livable.

It is my life. I will only live once right? So let me die. Let me kill myself, let me eat the whole bottle of pills, let me try and Slit that big blue vein in my wrist, Let me climb to the top of the stairs and and jump with a rope around my neck. Let me borrow your gun so I can put it to my head and pull the trigger. I dont want to be here....
If you look around the world what is there?
You see us fighting with other countries, you see kids looking up and seeing that its okay to be fighting and killing other people in our society, you see new laws such as NO Child Left Behind Act -its an act that will raise the amount of teenage dropouts in H.S among the US.,you see children having children, more divorces,You see kids being beaten by there own parents, you see parents allowing children to drink and do drugs, you see at the age of 10 kids lighting cigerettes up, you see Adults raping incent children. AND I ASK MY SELF WHY? WHY? WHY?
. Why do I want to be here? I rather die and spare another person's life who wil make a differnce in this Diveient world!

Edmund Falgui- Wow your DUMB
Let me just give you a few of my opinions because YOURS SUCK ROYAL ASS!
First things first....I dont understand how your artical got posted I highly doubt it did because you have no idea of what you are talking about.
First things first; What you are doing is aggravating a bunch of people who are mentally, psychologically and emotionally challenged and getting them more angry. By doing this you are causing these normal people (who just have a medical disease nuerologically) (in the brain). Most of these people can't help what they're thinking! THeses guys and gal's need help, some get help by getting med's and some dont have to money to get the med's and this is were the disease get worse and worse. IF a serious depressed teen wore to read your artical you would have been the cause of there death by wishing them to die adn that they are worthless. THEY ALREADY FEEL THAT WAY YOU SHOULD NT BE RUBBING IT IN! An by the way if your artical was published in the Philosophical madness there won't be a philosophical Madness any longer after I read your article. And another thing Im planning to bring you to court! I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK EDMUND FALGUI

The very fact that all of you are speaking. Trying to make a connection. Looking for others or looking out for others. All this makes all of you precious.

I'm not a tree hugging hippy. But to those of you that have contemplated, or are contemplating suicide - It would be a damn shame to lose any of you. We need as many voices as we can get. We need to know how to alleviate each others pain. What would be the good of all this if we don't at least try.

Besides all the talk of loved ones, it is terrible to lose anyone in this world, whether you know them or not. Empathy has always been our greatest achievment.

Dear boy,

The world, you are protecting so eagerly, is actually, already fucked up.
Just look around.
By calling someone coward, you state that "the strongest should live", which is an animal inerpretation of life,
and this is what fucks up the whole world. This is the nature of the thing in this world.
Did you know that around age of 40 your body turns on a mode called "suicide" - the body starts killing itself?
And no metter what you do, how much time you spend in gym, what you eat and how happy you are - you become old and die.
Because by this age, with this crazy sex drive you had in your teens and twenties you should have already brought your kids up.
There is no need in you anymore, make room for the new generation.
Species survival - eternal game.Everybody has to fight everybody for the room.
We think, we are human differ from animals by our brain capacity, but by behavior we are no different.
We eat each other alive by smart, "human" ways. So who polutes this world? Those who are too hungry for life polute the earth.

So why, boy, do you live? What is your reason for staying alive - who needs it. You? Why?
No, don't think about it and don't look around, you are not smart enough anyway for that.
These thoughts will make you question too much - a pass to a suicide desire for some.

I had a friend that said he was gonna go home and commit suicide once... I told him blantanly... well if you are, remember do it right the first time cause if you dont your gonna look like a quiter.

He came to school the next day with a smile on his face... he told me he would rather be a quiter than a smear on the wall.

Good for him.

Thomas

I guess its easy to criticize an action if you have never had the thought actually run through your mind. For me, I have had the thoughts run through my head when I was really depressed, and its like youre a different person completely. Its easy to criticize something you dont completely understand- life is really hard on some people, and for a lot, there doesnt seem to be a REAL answer.

To Everyone: I didnt say people who has though about commiting suicide are stupid. What i was saying is that anyone who commits suicide are both weak and stupid, especially those who did it and messed up by ending up in the hospital alive. i mean come on guys, wouldnt you feel stupid if you tried to carry out a plan to kill yourself because of lets say money problems, would'nt it be fucking ironic that you made it worse becuase now you also have medical bills to pay. Anyway if you have depression or something the best way to solve it is by talking to someone a friend or if you dont have any friends (probably why you are depressed.) then go and talk to a psychologyst then go to a psychiatrist to get a prescription for prozac. Anyway i just want to say as long as you are still alive you still have a chance of turning things around, lets see you do that when you are dead.


Jess: Exactly my point. I had this good friend once who jumped from his apartment and got hospitalized. yes he is still alive. his mother and sister were so shocked that they couldnt do anything that they usually did for weeks. i felt sorry for the both of them, but felt nothing but contempt for my friend. My friend now is doing well, though we are not as close as we were then it seems like he is doing well in college. anyway i just wanted to say something to poeple who think i didnt have any experience with suicides.


Stupid: I think it was stupid of you to let your relatives find out. Why dont you try going to an Gamblers anonymous meeting? im pretty sure there are a few places near you that holds meetings of these kind.


Amito: Just find something that you like o do that you are good at and go from there. all it takes is for you to become more confident with yourself and work harder for what you want. if you do these things im pretty sure you will find a job in no time. (For my first job i tried to apply at 3 companies before i found one that fitted my lifestyle)


Saiyan Robot: Yeah dying painfully sucks, maybe that the only time i would ever kill myself... then again im a bit of a masochist so maybe i wont.


Mr_Frog: Hell Yeah!!!!


BlueDev: I love darkness. i once stayed all alone in a dark room by myself only going out for food and water for 3 days. sometimes when im pissed i go out walk around the neighborhood and sit on the sidewalk for a few hours watching all who passes by sometimes making fun of them in my mind. hey im weird and the funny thing about it is that i like being wierd. friends of mine always say thats what makes me unique. i wouldnt really know about that since im am who i am and how can i call myself any other thing than Edmund Falgui.


Soul More: JUST BE CONFIDENT. when it comes to girls they want men who can talk to them as equals and still be dominated in bed. From what i read your problem is escapism. most people say this is a bad thing but for me going out alone for a couple of months is not a bad thing. I have this thing for travel, i have always like meeting new people and trying out new stuff. maybe you should take a couple of months off from college or work. Im pretty sure it would do you good. You might also want to try reading books. Reading was one of my favorite escapes when i was a kid.


Nothing: Yes it will always be your choice whether to kill yourself or not. But before killing yourself just think about the consequences. Im not talking about consequences to you since you would really care anyway when you ar dead, im talking about the consequences of your actions to those you leave behind. if you could die without feeling anything for those you leave behind then do it. no-one could stop you anyway if you set your mind on kiling yourself.


YOU'LL FIND OUT SOON ENOUGH!:Hmmm... Im still here.


notsohighlyevolved: Yeah, that what im trying to say to anyone who wants to listen. just think about the people who you are leaving behind.


Are you sure about what you say?: I live because i love myself too much. i live because i know i can do whatever i put my mind into. i live so i will find my happiness with my wife and children(when i have them. im still single girls) . i live because i choose to live in this world where both good and bad things happen, and i dont care if i get hurt as long as i can protect those i love. that is why i live.


Thomas: Its ok to be a quitter if what you are quitting on is a bad thing. "...smear on the wall." hahaha i liked that one.


waterpolochick01: when my dad died i did have those thoughs for a while. after thinking about it though i found that it was even more important for me to be with my family since im the only one who is left to protect them from anything that comes along.


Anyway to all of you out there contemplating suicide think twice before commiting yourself to doing it. is your life really as messed up as you think it is? just think about it.

Wow- your initial message, and your almost-apology(??) follow- up are like totally different.

your first one said

For me they are also what i would call a waste of space and air in this earth that already has too many stupid people fucking up my world with pollution and other kinds of shit.

about people who try to kill themselves.

your follow up is about "thinking twice about commiting suicide, because your life might not be so bad"........

for me, this sounds pretty contradictory.... maybe its just me tho.

No what im saying is that you can change what you are as long as your alive thats why i think suicide is stupid. now for all you people who wants to commit suicide, if you kill yourself you would stop yourself from becoming a better man or woman than what you are right now. Just deal with your problems, after a while it wont seem as bad as before. (though its entirely possible that it becomes even worse. but then again that the way life is, so just deal with it! )

It is my life. I will only live once right? So let me die. Let me kill myself, let me eat the whole bottle of pills, let me try and Slit that big blue vein in my wrist, Let me climb to the top of the stairs and and jump with a rope around my neck. Let me borrow your gun so I can put it to my head and pull the trigger. I dont want to be here.... If you look around the world what is there? You see us fighting with other countries, you see kids looking up and seeing that its okay to be fighting and killing other people in our society, you see new laws such as NO Child Left Behind Act -its an act that will raise the amount of teenage dropouts in H.S among the US.,you see children having children, more divorces,You see kids being beaten by there own parents, you see parents allowing children to drink and do drugs, you see at the age of 10 kids lighting cigerettes up, you see Adults raping incent children. AND I ASK MY SELF WHY? WHY? WHY? . Why do I want to be here? I rather die and spare another person's life who wil make a differnce in this Diveient world!

And meanwhile, the world will continue to go to Hell in a handbasket because people who knew better selfishly took their own life rather than sticking around to make a difference.

If you truly care about the suffering of the people of the world, do you do them any service in taking your own life? NO, you just absolve your own conscience by not sticking around.

This is where messy buu had it right...if you care about those oppressive regimes, why don't you join an aid agency and go over there and help? If you get captured by guerrillas, terrorists, or what have you, and killed, you have lost nothing, right? Since you were going to die anyway, you went out in a flash instead of a slow burn. If, however, you make a difference, you will have a reason to continue.

It truly is a win-win proposition.

Suicide, like many things, is a personal choice. A bad one but a personal choice. It is a quick way out but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that people who did that are stupid. The lack of compassion that people who commit suicide feel goes beyond anything anybody who never thought of it would ever know. It is not our place to judge these people.

Edmund,

>> The best thing to do to people who failed at killing themselves is to give them a bit of a push at the top floor of the highest building one can find.

Be careful. If they survive suicide, it may be that higher powers have decided that they really shouldn't go, and they have been saved, and you have just made a statement against that.


>>To Everyone: I didnt say people who has though about commiting suicide are stupid. What i was saying is that anyone who commits suicide are both weak and stupid, especially those who did it and messed up by ending up in the hospital alive.

Make up your mind what you are saying please. One has to think about suicide before actually carrying it out. What you were also saying is that people who commit suicide and fail should be killed and are better off dead.

You said, "The best thing to do to people who failed at killing themselves is to give them a bit of a push at the top floor of the highest building one can find"

It sounds like you would back murder. I mean, as you said, you prefer these "stupid people fucking up your world" to be "helping cleanse the air by fertilizing the plants on the ground after they are buried".


>> Anyway if you have depression or something the best way to solve it is by talking to someone a friend or if you dont have any friends (probably why you are depressed.) then go and talk to a psychologyst then go to a psychiatrist to get a prescription for prozac. Anyway i just want to say as long as you are still alive you still have a chance of turning things around, lets see you do that when you are dead.

>>No what im saying is that you can change what you are as long as your alive thats why i think suicide is stupid. now for all you people who wants to commit suicide, if you kill yourself you would stop yourself from becoming a better man or woman than what you are right now. Just deal with your problems, after a while it wont seem as bad as before. (though its entirely possible that it becomes even worse. but then again that the way life is, so just deal with it! )

Things you should have put in your first post to make you look less of a complete incompassionate jerk, I believe.


>>I cant understand why so many try to kill themselves.

No, I guess you can't.

I think that every living thing in the universe strives to improve it's situation. Isn't that what suicide is all about?

It is not our place to judge these people.

what else would people do in this world if we dont get to judge other people...

...anyway the truth is suicide is a selfish thing and most people who commit suicide dont think about how it affects the people who care about them. they dont care about the feelings of all those people who love them and and how those people will feel once they are gone, all they care about is finding the easiest way out of the problem they are in. thats why im pissed off at people who commit suicide!

You're clearer now than in your initial posts. Might be you were just angry when you posted, I suppose. I apologise for calling you a jerk in my previous post.

>> most people who commit suicide dont think about how it affects the people who care about them. they dont care about the feelings of all those people who love them and and how those people will feel once they are gone, all they care about is finding the easiest way out of the problem they are in.

I truly agree with this statement.